Comments on: A very good argument for avoiding lorem ipsum http://www.martinoflynn.com/blog/2007/05/11/a-very-good-argument-for-avoiding-lorem-ipsum/ Do great work, enjoy the process Sat, 04 Sep 2010 12:56:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Frank Piacitelli http://www.martinoflynn.com/blog/2007/05/11/a-very-good-argument-for-avoiding-lorem-ipsum/comment-page-1/#comment-19 Frank Piacitelli Fri, 11 May 2007 19:33:09 +0000 http://www.martinoflynn.com/blog/?p=32#comment-19 Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Nullam rutrum. Vestibulum id sapien vel magna congue rutrum. Phasellus ullamcorper euismod mauris. Sed tempor odio at magna. Phasellus rutrum. Donec ac libero a nisi pharetra porta. Quisque neque erat, semper eget, cursus a, accumsan et, urna. Ut libero. I'll fill in the details later, I just wanted to get this comment started. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Nullam rutrum. Vestibulum id sapien vel magna congue rutrum. Phasellus ullamcorper euismod mauris. Sed tempor odio at magna. Phasellus rutrum. Donec ac libero a nisi pharetra porta. Quisque neque erat, semper eget, cursus a, accumsan et, urna. Ut libero.

I’ll fill in the details later, I just wanted to get this comment started.

]]> By: Scott W http://www.martinoflynn.com/blog/2007/05/11/a-very-good-argument-for-avoiding-lorem-ipsum/comment-page-1/#comment-18 Scott W Fri, 11 May 2007 19:21:41 +0000 http://www.martinoflynn.com/blog/?p=32#comment-18 Yeah after re-reading the essay, it looks more geared toward avoiding Lipsum text in areas with more user-interaction. Like forms and apps. I definitely agree on avoiding it for such areas in layout. Entering real field values and such definitely help understand your users. I think the post title you chose set me off. Lipsum is useful at times and in some cases should be avoided. Yeah after re-reading the essay, it looks more geared toward avoiding Lipsum text in areas with more user-interaction. Like forms and apps. I definitely agree on avoiding it for such areas in layout. Entering real field values and such definitely help understand your users. I think the post title you chose set me off. Lipsum is useful at times and in some cases should be avoided.

]]> By: Martin Edic http://www.martinoflynn.com/blog/2007/05/11/a-very-good-argument-for-avoiding-lorem-ipsum/comment-page-1/#comment-17 Martin Edic Fri, 11 May 2007 17:59:52 +0000 http://www.martinoflynn.com/blog/?p=32#comment-17 It's my contention that people go to web sites to learn things. This means that the content and how it is displayed is more important than non-text design elements. I realize this puts me at odds with many designers (probably because I am a writer by background). To your point I agree- when presenting layouts you don't want to throw in copy and have the discussion revolve around draft copy. The primary emphasis of the piece I linked to was on designing for user-interaction. I think we're in agreement on that. This does touch on the 'traditional brand-driven creative approach vs. information-driven online marketing approach' that creates such a challenge in the agency world. Clients need both on an equal basis. One begets the other ideally. It’s my contention that people go to web sites to learn things. This means that the content and how it is displayed is more important than non-text design elements. I realize this puts me at odds with many designers (probably because I am a writer by background). To your point I agree- when presenting layouts you don’t want to throw in copy and have the discussion revolve around draft copy. The primary emphasis of the piece I linked to was on designing for user-interaction. I think we’re in agreement on that.
This does touch on the ‘traditional brand-driven creative approach vs. information-driven online marketing approach’ that creates such a challenge in the agency world. Clients need both on an equal basis. One begets the other ideally.

]]> By: Scott W http://www.martinoflynn.com/blog/2007/05/11/a-very-good-argument-for-avoiding-lorem-ipsum/comment-page-1/#comment-16 Scott W Fri, 11 May 2007 17:45:40 +0000 http://www.martinoflynn.com/blog/?p=32#comment-16 I disagree and here's why: When we design new websites, the purpose of the initial design phase is typically to get approval on the overall 'look and feel' and not necessarily the content. Lorem ipsum's purpose is to show how a normal distribution of body copy will be formatted and styled without the viewer getting hung up on what it actually says. I think once a look is decided upon, you can start adding some approved copy to a more refined layout, but it seems a waste of time and effort to consider user interaction with copy for every page. With forms, on the other hand, I agree it's best to show as much of the actual content/fields as possible in the layout. A poorly layed-out form can deter boatloads of people who might be interested in what's on the other end of the submit button. I disagree and here’s why:
When we design new websites, the purpose of the initial design phase is typically to get approval on the overall ‘look and feel’ and not necessarily the content. Lorem ipsum’s purpose is to show how a normal distribution of body copy will be formatted and styled without the viewer getting hung up on what it actually says. I think once a look is decided upon, you can start adding some approved copy to a more refined layout, but it seems a waste of time and effort to consider user interaction with copy for every page. With forms, on the other hand, I agree it’s best to show as much of the actual content/fields as possible in the layout. A poorly layed-out form can deter boatloads of people who might be interested in what’s on the other end of the submit button.

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